Stephen Hawking: God did not create Universe [Archive]

Cupid Stunt

09-02-2010, 06:11 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11161493

Celebrity Dalek and super intelligent genius Stephen Hawking says that there is no place for God in theories on the creation of the Universe.

In his new book, an extract of which appears in the Times, Britain's most famous physicist sets out to contest Sir Isaac Newton's belief that the universe must have been designed by God as it could not have sprung out of chaos.

Citing the 1992 discovery of a planet orbiting a star other than our Sun, he said: "That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions - the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass - far less remarkable, and far less compelling as evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings."

He adds: "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.

"Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.

"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."

Landys ghost

09-02-2010, 02:07 PM

you know what the Gods Squaddies will say...."ahh but who created Gravity hmm.." the numpties can always use that arguement

Isis

09-02-2010, 05:19 PM

yeah who the heck invented it???

Isis

09-02-2010, 05:55 PM

Cupid Stunt did not create this thread it was the cosmic vibrations from outer space that did it. ha ha ha

Cupid Stunt

09-02-2010, 05:58 PM

yeah who the heck invented it???

Sir Isaac Newton, he was trying to a invent a pastry for an apple pie that was lighter than air but invented gravity instead, just before he invented the fig newton.

thin man

09-03-2010, 06:25 AM

Sir Isaac Newton, he was trying to a invent a pastry for an apple pie that was lighter than air but invented gravity instead, just before he invented the fig newton.

behind every famous man there's a woman needing the doe.

Isis

09-03-2010, 12:22 PM

So the conclusion must be that it wasn't God that created the guys on this forum ha ha ha I didn't think so for a long time ha ha ha

Cupid Stunt

09-04-2010, 10:07 AM

behind every famous man there's a woman needing the doe.

I kneed a doe once, or maybe it was a buck.

Landys ghost

09-04-2010, 10:53 AM

Behind every succesful man theres a surprised mother in law

aspicco

09-08-2010, 08:35 PM

so the universe spontaneously created itself... hmmmm...

Isis

09-08-2010, 09:38 PM

behind every famous man there's a woman needing the doe.
And sometimes she kneels for it.

Isis

09-08-2010, 09:41 PM

so the universe spontaneously created itself... hmmmm...

Lol

Landys ghost

09-09-2010, 02:45 AM

why not ? I'm not a theoretical physicist and these are mathemetical equations [ as I understand it] but things do happen spontaneously...what do I know? I'm not bothered because I never believed in creation anyway or God

zimmy

09-09-2010, 10:24 AM

Yeah, and why do they call them Doenuts? Does don't have nuts. They should be called Bucknuts. They're good with confections sugar :0

thin man

09-09-2010, 10:38 AM

Yeah, and why do they call them Doenuts? Does don't have nuts. They should be called Bucknuts. They're good with confections sugar :0

if this is on a need to know basis.. I don't need to know.... ;)

thin man

09-09-2010, 10:39 AM

so the universe spontaneously created itself... hmmmm...

hmmmm . or not .. I find myself stuck in it.

aspicco

09-09-2010, 11:00 AM

Doughnuts... made out of dough?

Kent Allard

09-09-2010, 05:05 PM

Landys ghost

09-10-2010, 03:02 AM

dunno but I have a feeling your going to tell us

zimmy

09-10-2010, 04:42 AM

Jesus is God's Son. Praise The Lord!

I think Mr. hawkings is saying he can't measure time of the universe AS WE KNOW IT. Our perception is limited to our human capacity. One day, we shall understand
peace

triangular!

09-10-2010, 05:39 PM

Our perception is limited to our human capacity .... Wittgenstein came out with this ages before .... one day academics will stop copying & stealing and then there will be peace

Cupid Stunt

09-10-2010, 07:39 PM

Hawking believes that because evidence suggests that time has no beginning, the universe has no beginning either. There's some sense in that..if something has always existed, how could it have been created?

But the real question to tackle is who/what is/are God/s? Jesus was a man, and is also God according to Christianity. If God is human, what does that make humanity?

That's not what Hawking said and the obvious answer to your question is that there is no God, never has been, it was just a superstition used to frighten silly olden days people into giving the church money.

zimmy

09-10-2010, 10:24 PM

Our perception is limited to our human capacity .... Wittgenstein came out with this ages before .... one day academics will stop copying & stealing and then there will be peace

Oh I haven't heard of this qute before, it's just common sense if you ask me. We can't even predict which way the wind blows, how can we say what is really beyond our experience?

Landys ghost

09-12-2010, 02:17 PM

In your opinion - but I reckon youve been brainwashed and duped, c'mon get real

Landys ghost

09-12-2010, 02:18 PM

triangular!

09-12-2010, 03:37 PM

Oh I haven't heard of this qute before, it's just common sense if you ask me. We can't even predict which way the wind blows, how can we say what is really beyond our experience?

Oh, you know what I don't bother about that field at all. I'm grazing in the one that's material real and touchable and kissable and I'm still hungry and there's lots to explore, ...

Kent Allard

09-12-2010, 04:33 PM

I never tell anyone anything. I sow seeds; I grow things.

Cupid Stunt

09-12-2010, 06:11 PM

No you don't tell anyone anything, you say that you got an email from yourself which convinced you that Bob is a prophet but you refuse to add anything to that, how is that sowing a seed? Does that encourage people to find out more about Bob by emailing themselves?

Landys ghost

09-13-2010, 02:55 AM

he's a crank cupid, I was hoping he'd fucked off

triangular!

09-13-2010, 06:40 AM

why do we have to find out more about Bob? just me thinking really

Cupid Stunt

09-13-2010, 12:35 PM

why do we have to find out more about Bob? just me thinking really

Ask your alter-ego, he's sowing seeds.

Kent Allard

09-13-2010, 01:01 PM

he's a crank cupid, I was hoping he'd fucked off

Cranks are useful for winding things up

triangular!

09-13-2010, 01:50 PM

An alter ego (Latin, "the other I") is a second self, a second personality or persona within a person, who is often oblivious to the persona's actions. It was coined in the early nineteenth century when dissociative identity disorder was first described by psychologists.[1] A person with an alter ego is said to lead a double life

Could you pleas explain to me what that has got to do with me. I'm Kent's wife ...I'm getting a bit tired here of permanently telling people that I'm real. I'm starting to think that it's just a game of you here I hope you all have fun, really but what it shows is how derailed you are.

Cupid Stunt

09-13-2010, 02:08 PM

Cranks are useful for winding things up

Hahahaha

Cupid Stunt

09-13-2010, 02:10 PM

Could you pleas explain to me what that has got to do with me. I'm Kent's wife ...I'm getting a bit tired here of permanently telling people that I'm real. I'm starting to think that it's just a game of you here I hope you all have fun, really but what it shows is how derailed you are.

Very good "triangular", I get you, mum's the word, a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat.

thin man

09-24-2010, 09:17 AM

Stephen Fry .. Christopher Hitchens Blasphemy Debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfmqiBfoPwA&

Landys ghost

09-24-2010, 10:02 AM

Thanks Al- I;ll watch this what Dylan once called "Blasspuffermee"

thin man

09-24-2010, 06:11 PM

here's another with
Christopher Hitchens on Real Time with Bill Maher - March 26 - 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9oUYIFIyqM&

Sandrine

09-25-2010, 09:42 AM

Had God the choice ?

Kent Allard

09-25-2010, 05:10 PM

He throws the dice...

Landys ghost

09-26-2010, 04:06 AM

so it's a game of chance

Sandrine

09-26-2010, 05:52 AM

6 possibilities for only 2 choices.

Did the time existe before the creation of the universe ?

Kent Allard

09-26-2010, 06:10 AM

6 possibilities for only 2 choices.

Did the time existe before the creation of the universe ?

I saw Hawking's programme on time travel last night. Very good. Time is like a river...it moves at different rates throughout the universe because it is affected by gravity fields. time is part of the structure of the universe, so without existence time has no meaning, imo.

Landys ghost

09-26-2010, 06:27 AM

6 possibilities for only 2 choices.

Did the time existe before the creation of the universe ?

Who cares? what a silly question, will it change anything? time has always been there for as long as there was always there

Landys ghost

09-26-2010, 06:28 AM

I saw Hawking's programme on time travel last night. Very good. Time is like a river...it moves at different rates throughout the universe because it is affected by gravity fields. time is part of the structure of the universe, so without existence time has no meaning, imo.

time has no meaning because it's always now, but time has a very real meaning if you want to catch the bus

Kent Allard

09-26-2010, 11:52 AM

hahahaha

thin man

09-26-2010, 04:46 PM

Had God the choice ?

we had .. you have. we all have .. the choice

when there is nothing. there is no choice

do you believe in magic?

thin man

09-26-2010, 04:50 PM

6 possibilities for only 2 choices.

Did the time existe before the creation of the universe ?

what do you mean?

time exists.. if/when .. before exists .. what don't you understand?

Kent Allard

09-26-2010, 05:24 PM

6 possibilities for only 2 choices.

A dice has six possible outcomes. One of the choices is 'create everything'. The other is 'do not create anything'.

thin man

09-26-2010, 05:27 PM

A dice has six possible outcomes. One of the choices is 'create everything'. The other is 'do not create anything'.

Craps is a dice game in which players place wagers on the outcome of the roll

Sandrine

09-26-2010, 05:32 PM

A dice has six possible outcomes. One of the choices is 'create everything'. The other is 'do not create anything'.

ok

thin man

09-26-2010, 05:36 PM

ok

what are the other 4 then?

Sandrine

09-26-2010, 05:39 PM

1-2-3 : create everything
4-5-6 : don't create anything

or the contrary..rab

thin man

09-26-2010, 05:45 PM

O h ... I see ..... :rolleyes:

maybe if there were more sides to the dice it would be more interesting ...eh?

a dodecahedron for example ..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Dodecahedron.png