Whats your relationship and opinion of Bob

[Landys ghost]

Ok - here goes. I think Dylan is incredibly well read, I think he's a genius at reinterprating other works and presenting them in a new light to bring fresh light, insight and observation, I think he uses those works as an inspiration, not because, I feel, he particularly "believes" in them in some way but because, when youve written as much stuff as he has, it's useful to be able to turn to these works and use them as a pallete for your own work.
He can turn out stuff that panders to our own opinion and agenda and he knows what his audience wants.
If , like Bonehead , youve always wanted to be Bob Dylan what you do is write something vague and mysterious with allusions which can be found in literature, unfortunately someone like that isnt really bright enough to pull it off,we had similar things happening throughout Dylans career.
Musically he's a sponge and a master of many genres...just look at his Theme music show
I dont believe there any messages only observations and poetic insight.
He once said to Jagger "The thing is Mick I couldve written Jumpin' Jack Flash, theres no way you couldve written Mr Tambourine Man" and it's perfectly true
As for Dylan's press statement and others I take them all with a pinch of salt , he's not going to reveal the true Robert Zimmerman especially to a journalist while some things are pure fabrication , embroidery or contradiction in my opinion - let the songs stand as the testament I say, and wehat they say to you and dont go drawing conclusions because of what you might interpret. Ive read some great comparisons [ better than anything Ive read on message boards ] so it's something we all fall for unless your just content to not listen and accept it as nothing more than entertainment and thats fine too.

[Kent Allard]

I think the movie I'm Not There represents the real Dylan quite well (though its a fictional bio). He doesn't just choose to change; he does so in reality. Shedding off one more layer of skin, if you like. At the moment, he's in his Charlie Chaplin mode, and has been since around 1998. Thats the seventh persona within the movie, which wasn't actually portrayed (for some reason). It contains the Things Have Changed video and the Modern Times record, both of which have close links to Chaplin, who, as we know, was a bit of a joker.

What's my relationship to him? Well, I'm a member of the human race which makes me more closely related to him than a bonobo or a chimp. But I feel relationships exist more in the psyche, in morphic fields, than within physical constraints.

[Isis]

Confusion. I have no idea.

[triangular!]

It takes a bit of time and translation to reply here but I'm still not so sure if Mr Landy really wants our opinion the whole thing feels more like a sermon. ( let the songs stand as the testament)brrr!

Denis Diderot once said: " If you want me to believe in God, you must make me touch him." and I never came across of a self called Dylan expert who was courages enough to express any sort of own feeling, music hardly ever runs only through brains. Good music is very close to primitive language. that's another Diderot and I couldn't agree more on that.

[Landys ghost]

It takes a bit of time and translation to reply here but I'm still not so sure if Mr Landy really wants our opinion the whole thing feels more like a sermon. ( let the songs stand as the testament)brrr!

Denis Diderot once said: " If you want me to believe in God, you must make me touch him." and I never came across of a self called Dylan expert who was courages enough to express any sort of own feeling, music hardly ever runs only through brains. Good music is very close to primitive language. that's another Diderot and I couldn't agree more on that.


I thought I had.....what about you? as for "morphic" what does that mean? changeing? well of course all relationships evolve even one with an"entertainer"

[WLDB]

I think the movie I'm Not There represents the real Dylan quite well (though its a fictional bio). He doesn't just choose to change; he does so in reality. Shedding off one more layer of skin, if you like. At the moment, he's in his Charlie Chaplin mode, and has been since around 1998. Thats the seventh persona within the movie, which wasn't actually portrayed (for some reason). It contains the Things Have Changed video and the Modern Times record, both of which have close links to Chaplin, who, as we know, was a bit of a joker.

What I really liked about that movie was that it could be about anyone. We all go through such changes over time.

[Kent Allard]

Morphic fields are a bit like magnetic fields. They affect living organisms, and how they develop. They certainly exist but no-one knows how they work. That's my subject, triangular!'s is crochet. Please don't get us confused.

WLDB, I'm not sure I agree with your comment. Dylan changes but I'm not sure in the same way as others change.For example, should JWH have been released in 1968? Would it not sit better in 1984?

[Landys ghost]

Morphic fields are a bit like magnetic fields. They affect living organisms, and how they develop. They certainly exist but no-one knows how they work. That's my subject, triangular!'s is crochet. Please don't get us confused.

WLDB, I'm not sure I agree with your comment. Dylan changes but I'm not sure in the same way as others change.For example, should JWH have been released in 1968? Would it not sit better in 1984?

1st para - uh?

2nd para - it's ageless but it came out in 68, so..............

[triangular!]

I thought I had.....what about you? as for "morphic" what does that mean? changeing? well of course all relationships evolve even one with an"entertainer"

Sorry but I have to quote you again " dont go drawing conclusions because of what you might interpret" don't do that with my post either. I didn't use the word morphic or change in my post.

For "the Entertainer" I'd love to play that piece on my piano it's quite tricky! I have to practice more!!!

[triangular!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPmruHc4S9Q&feature=related

Ragtime Piano!

[Isis]

Reflextion:
It seems to me that famous people like Bob for example has a pressure on themselves to perform all the time.
I just hope that they don't feel the same way in a relationship with somebody. lol
I think for those kind of famous people it should be very important that they could feel that they can relax and be themselves and not having to perform...I mean put up a second act at home as well?

I don't seem to be able to explain what I MEAN cus it depends what you include in the perfomance I guess? (I love to guess. I was the one that invented the guessing games all over the world. ha ha ha)

[Landys ghost]

Sorry but I have to quote you again " dont go drawing conclusions because of what you might interpret" don't do that with my post either. I didn't use the word morphic or change in my post.

For "the Entertainer" I'd love to play that piece on my piano it's quite tricky! I have to practice more!!!

er we seem to be at cross purposes here, I havent drawn any conclusion beccause you havent told us what your relationship with Bob is, ie what is it about him that attracts you to his work?...the "morphic" bit referred to something Kent wrote

[triangular!]

er we seem to be at cross purposes here, I havent drawn any conclusion beccause you havent told us what your relationship with Bob is, ie what is it about him that attracts you to his work?...the "morphic" bit referred to something Kent wrote

I'm trying hard to separate from Mr Allard every day and I don't like to be thrown in the same pot with him. Change your attitude and I'll answer your thread for now I'm incommunicado.

[Landys ghost]

I'm trying hard to separate from Mr Allard every day and I don't like to be thrown in the same pot with him. Change your attitude and I'll answer your thread for now I'm incommunicado.

"Attitude"? ?? what attutude? I only invited posters to provide their reasons for being Dylan fans and how one sees that relationship, what "attitude" would you prefer I adopt?

[triangular!]

"Attitude"? ?? what attutude? I only invited posters to provide their reasons for being Dylan fans and how one sees that relationship, what "attitude" would you prefer I adopt?

Definition:
Attitude
Noun
1. A complex mental state involving beliefs and feelings and values and dispositions to act in certain ways; "he had the attitude that work was fun".

You had the attitude that I was Kent Allard.

[Landys ghost]

Definition:
Attitude
Noun
1. A complex mental state involving beliefs and feelings and values and dispositions to act in certain ways; "he had the attitude that work was fun".

You had the attitude that I was Kent Allard.

No I didnt! I made a mistake of responding to the two of you in one response,why do you think I thought you were Kent Allard? with respect you totally had the wrong end of the wedge,anyway this has gone way off topic and tells us nothing about you and Dylans music, are you bothered in answering? now how would you know what my "attitude" is?

[triangular!]

No I didnt! I made a mistake of responding to the two of you in one response,why do you think I thought you were Kent Allard? with respect you totally had the wrong end of the wedge,anyway this has gone way off topic and tells us nothing about you and Dylans music, are you bothered in answering? now how would you know what my "attitude" is?

If you would have any attitude you'd knock on my door with a bunch of flowers or an apple tree because I don't really like cut flowers and kneel down and say: "I'm sorry!". I could be bothered then answering all your question and change my attitude also. Leave your little self-built throne and hang down your head.

[Kent Allard]

Nice thread.

According to I'm Not There

He is everyone
He is no-one

So is that just a way of saying

All the main characters in the move play him
He does not appear in the movie himself

Something inside me doubts that it can be that simple...with him there are multiple levels for all his work. They are not there physically but you sense them with your soul.

[Garilia]

Ok - here goes. I think Dylan is incredibly well read, I think he's a genius at reinterprating other works and presenting them in a new light to bring fresh light, insight and observation, I think he uses those works as an inspiration, not because, I feel, he particularly "believes" in them in some way but because, when youve written as much stuff as he has, it's useful to be able to turn to these works and use them as a pallete for your own work.
He can turn out stuff that panders to our own opinion and agenda and he knows what his audience wants.
If , like Bonehead , youve always wanted to be Bob Dylan what you do is write something vague and mysterious with allusions which can be found in literature, unfortunately someone like that isnt really bright enough to pull it off,we had similar things happening throughout Dylans career.
Musically he's a sponge and a master of many genres...just look at his Theme music show
I dont believe there any messages only observations and poetic insight.
He once said to Jagger "The thing is Mick I couldve written Jumpin' Jack Flash, theres no way you couldve written Mr Tambourine Man" and it's perfectly true
As for Dylan's press statement and others I take them all with a pinch of salt , he's not going to reveal the true Robert Zimmerman especially to a journalist while some things are pure fabrication , embroidery or contradiction in my opinion - let the songs stand as the testament I say, and wehat they say to you and dont go drawing conclusions because of what you might interpret. Ive read some great comparisons [ better than anything Ive read on message boards ] so it's something we all fall for unless your just content to not listen and accept it as nothing more than entertainment and thats fine too.

Who's Bonehead? Bono of U2? It's funny, because when I first read this, I thought you were taking a shot at Kent Allard, as you are prone to doing. So I stayed away. I'm not sure how to answer the what's my relationship to Dylan question, so I feel that Kent did as fine a job as any when he wrote, "Well, I'm a member of the human race which makes me more closely related to him than a bonobo or a chimp." I don't feel any relationship to Dylan. I like his music more than just about anybody's. I think I'd probably enjoy hanging out with Bono or Bruce Springsteen though, as they seem more capable of that.

[LazySlut]

i like bob more than anyone, music wise. i gotta crush on him even though he's ruined listening to the radio for me forever. (it's all clear channel here. barf!)

as for relationships, i'll probably never get closer than a restraining order. hahaha.

[Sandrine]

A faithful musical companion

[LazySlut]

a skinny sexy songbird

[Sandrine]

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[Kent Allard]

Explorer of the morphogenetic field

[LazySlut]

curly-haired mercurial angel

[Kent Allard]

Taoic zeitgeist

[LazySlut]

restless humanist lover

[Kent Allard]

Commentator of the Apocalypse

[LazySlut]

private naked soul

[Kent Allard]

Traveller of the whirlwind

[LazySlut]

master of enchanted word

[Kent Allard]

Father and Grandfather

[LazySlut]

blue-eyed american son

[Garilia]

i like bob more than anyone, music wise. i gotta crush on him even though he's ruined listening to the radio for me forever. (it's all clear channel here. barf!).

It's all Clear Channel everywhere!

[LazySlut]

It's all Clear Channel everywhere!

that is freaking depressing.

i bet you don't have to put up with giant obnoxious billboards proclaiming their particular religious affiliation polluting the air space all over your town. there's been about a decade long battle over that here in tucson. i loathe clear channel and everything they represent.

[Sandrine]

.

[Sandrine]

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[Landys ghost]

Father and Grandfather
What! Bob Dylan is your grandfather?? wow

[Landys ghost]

Taoic zeitgeist

any chance of you writing in plain English? what the fuck does that mean apart from trying to sound impressive

[Landys ghost]

If you would have any attitude you'd knock on my door with a bunch of flowers or an apple tree because I don't really like cut flowers and kneel down and say: "I'm sorry!". I could be bothered then answering all your question and change my attitude also. Leave your little self-built throne and hang down your head.

Yeah...right...there you go then

[Landys ghost]

Nice thread.

According to I'm Not There

He is everyone
He is no-one

So is that just a way of saying

All the main characters in the move play him
He does not appear in the movie himself

Something inside me doubts that it can be that simple...with him there are multiple levels for all his work. They are not there physically but you sense them with your soul.

but thats just a fim-makers point of view, it's not a very good film,I can see where the guy is coming from it's just not that good....apart from the music,it's like a series of video's of cover versions

[Kent Allard]

but thats just a fim-makers point of view, it's not a very good film,I can see where the guy is coming from it's just not that good....apart from the music,it's like a series of video's of cover versions

I don't know why you assume that. It's always struck me as the 'official biopic', having received help from Dylan's management in addition to being featured on on bobdylan.com.

[Kent Allard]

any chance of you writing in plain English? what the fuck does that mean apart from trying to sound impressive

Get to work, Landy ;)

[Landys ghost]

I don't know why you assume that. It's always struck me as the 'official biopic', having received help from Dylan's management in addition to being featured on on bobdylan.com.

Didnt he consider suing because of the implication re the suicide of the girl from the Warhol factory? I got the impression he wasnt really bothered otherwise,and I'm not sure if he gets involved in a managerial sense at all, as long as he doesnt get defamed...so, no I dont think it's official, it's certainly has a lot of mixed up confusion,it tries to hard to be an art film and as a consequence fails pretty miserably

[Landys ghost]

Get to work, Landy ;)

i work monday to friday :(....really, you should try plain language instead of being the Bored's Del-boy

[Kent Allard]

Taoic zeitgeist

Tao can be roughly stated to be the flow of the universe, or the force behind the natural order, equating it with the influence that keeps the universe balanced and ordered. The flow of qi, as the essential energy of action and existence, is often compared to the universal order of Tao. Tao is often considered to be the source of both existence and non-existence.

Zeitgeist is the general cultural, intellectual, ethical, spiritual, and/or political climate within a nation or even specific groups, along with the general ambience, morals, and sociocultural direction or mood of an era.

In this scenario, Dylan could be seen as a balancing influence on the mood of our era.

[LazySlut]

seems a bit harsh, kent and i were just playing around....

[Landys ghost]

Oh....there you are then, sorry I asked,what does it mean in practical terms?

[triangular!]

Oh....there you are then, sorry I asked,what does it mean in practical terms?

"Damn! I thought your head would be bigger!

[Sandrine]

To answer seriously

My relationship with Bob Dylan is in a one way.
I know that I like his music but he doesn't know it.

My opinion of Bob Dylan is the respect.

[Isis]

He is a great artist. That's for sure.

[Sandrine]

Not the best but one of those who give emotion when he sings?

And it's all that I ask.

[Isis]

I think he's the best.

[Sandrine]

The best to give emotion yes..(with SMG)

But it's a notion of feeling.

What he does on me, he doesn't do on everybody.

My husband is still looking for what I find in him.
(but my husband and the music, that makes 2)

We are all agree to say that Mozart is one of the best -but there are people who don't like his music.

So, the music, it's subjectif.

After, you have the notion of the language.

[Kent Allard]

Oh....there you are then, sorry I asked,what does it mean in practical terms?

It means he has a profound influence on every conscious mind, leading to an understanding of the truth

[Isis]

It means he has a profound influence on every conscious mind, leading to an understanding of the truth

You sure not exaggerating a litte bit here?

[Kent Allard]

Damn. I can't the editing protocol to work..

[Landys ghost]

It means he has a profound influence on every conscious mind, leading to an understanding of the truth

crap..."every conscious mind"- I know lots of people who dont like his work,thats their loss, but your frightening, just like the nutters in the 60's who wanted him to be a leader or mystic this is idol worship if ever there was of the most weird kind, it's one thing to admire someones art quite another to endow them with mystic powers, fucking loon

[Kent Allard]

crap..."every conscious mind"- I know lots of people who dont like his work,thats their loss, but your frightening, just like the nutters in the 60's who wanted him to be a leader or mystic this is idol worship if ever there was of the most weird kind, it's one thing to admire someones art quite another to endow them with mystic powers, fucking loon

So you now feel that I'm not a born again Christian? What's it to be, BAC or idol worshipper? Or do you want it both ways?

I may be a loon but I've learned some things through life, KB. I know that nothing is as it seems, that's for sure.

[steve the face]

I discovered Bob Dylan when I was 14 years old. That time 1978 i played drums in a drumband http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znEOlMO8XbA and the worlds best fanfare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE1CLJ3T4mg and a new wave band (no video's available). In my class there was a guy who was totaly away from Bob's music and lyrics. His name was Ben. Ben said to me : 'listen , guy, without Dylan no punks !' In a way he was right ! Dylan was one of the first protest singer songwriters tellin' about what's going on and wrong in the society that time.
Ben played guitar on his own. He asked me if i would like to play a jam session with him. And there it all began. I learned to appreciate Bobs music and gettet interested in his lyrics. I find a see from poets in his lyrics, so strong and unique !
It was 1981 and Ben and I founded a band. That time called Big Dig and his bluesy twins. We played in 'brouwn' pubs . Guitar, a sigle snare drum, a bongo and one cymbal and Muddy Jack on washboard. We played in student cafe's in the university citys from Belgium., altough we were just past 17 !
During the following years our friendship grow. And the love for Dylan's music became stronger and stronger. As band we had our own evolution, but in 2006 we decided only to play Dylan music, with great succes !
Every song Mr. Dylan performans is always surprising. Highway 61 , Blind Willie all songs arre played in so many ways, and that's why he's one of the greatest performers for me. I saw Mr. Dylan 6 times in Belgium and Holland. You know there is an evolution in work and way of playing but it's always surprising and so professional. The choise of instruments is so basic: less is more ! That makes the music so warm , no song asks for difficult wonderboys on stage. Just good musicians, understanding what a song realy asks.
I'm glad the public is getting younger these days. Last concert at Vorest National in Belgium i noticed a lot of people between 18 and 25. That's a good sign ! Mr. Dylan is 'inn' !
This was my story.

[Sandrine]

I discovered Bob Dylan when I was 14 years old. That time 1978 i played drums in a drumband http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znEOlMO8XbA and the worlds best fanfare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE1CLJ3T4mg and a new wave band (no video's available). In my class there was a guy who was totaly away from Bob's music and lyrics. His name was Ben. Ben said to me : 'listen , guy, without Dylan no punks !' In a way he was right ! Dylan was one of the first protest singer songwriters tellin' about what's going on and wrong in the society that time.
Ben played guitar on his own. He asked me if i would like to play a jam session with him. And there it all began. I learned to appreciate Bobs music and gettet interested in his lyrics. I find a see from poets in his lyrics, so strong and unique !
It was 1981 and Ben and I founded a band. That time called Big Dig and his bluesy twins. We played in 'brouwn' pubs . Guitar, a sigle snare drum, a bongo and one cymbal and Muddy Jack on washboard. We played in student cafe's in the university citys from Belgium., altough we were just past 17 !
During the following years our friendship grow. And the love for Dylan's music became stronger and stronger. As band we had our own evolution, but in 2006 we decided only to play Dylan music, with great succes !
Every song Mr. Dylan performans is always surprising. Highway 61 , Blind Willie all songs arre played in so many ways, and that's why he's one of the greatest performers for me. I saw Mr. Dylan 6 times in Belgium and Holland. You know there is an evolution in work and way of playing but it's always surprising and so professional. The choise of instruments is so basic: less is more ! That makes the music so warm , no song asks for difficult wonderboys on stage. Just good musicians, understanding what a song realy asks.
I'm glad the public is getting younger these days. Last concert at Vorest National in Belgium i noticed a lot of people between 18 and 25. That's a good sign ! Mr. Dylan is 'inn' !
This was my story.



It's a beautiful story.

Me, I discovered Bob Dylan with the song "Lily Of The West". A song that my father has recorded on a tape with other artists.

I didn't know who sang , it's my father who said it's Bob Dylan.

I liked (and still like) the sound of his voice..imediately.


And he is the only one (with SMG) whose I buy the albums.

Of course, I knew that Mr Tambourine Man was of him, but I never listened to him before Lily Of The West.

He is my most beautiful musical discovery.

[thin man]

I love all these young fan stories.. even yours Landy ( nice idea for a thread )


hahaha

my history, started in 1963, I first heard the "something new" at my cousins house.. we listened to "freewheelin'" for hours ... and hours... and hours.. later I went and bought B D. it 's been an on going kind of relationship since then

that's just the way it is. I guess.. my opinion has never changed..no one comes near

[Sandrine]

oh 1963 , I wasn't still born..

It' s sad that we can 't choose our date of birthday.


or I wasn't born yet..

[Kent Allard]

oh 1863, I wasn't still born..

It' s sad that we can choose our date of birthday.

Have you been on the mango cider again??

[Sandrine]

Why did you wrote that ?

[thin man]

I tried google translate .. it didnt help! :-P

[Kent Allard]

Why did you wrote that ?

Your previous post was quite amusing. Have you read it?

[Sandrine]

oups, I didn't see it. I will edite it.

[thin man]

the edit .. was the obvious...

it's the rest that makes it impossible to understand

[Landys ghost]

I discovered Bob Dylan when I was 14 years old. That time 1978 i played drums in a drumband http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znEOlMO8XbA and the worlds best fanfare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE1CLJ3T4mg and a new wave band (no video's available). In my class there was a guy who was totaly away from Bob's music and lyrics. His name was Ben. Ben said to me : 'listen , guy, without Dylan no punks !' In a way he was right ! Dylan was one of the first protest singer songwriters tellin' about what's going on and wrong in the society that time.
Ben played guitar on his own. He asked me if i would like to play a jam session with him. And there it all began. I learned to appreciate Bobs music and gettet interested in his lyrics. I find a see from poets in his lyrics, so strong and unique !
It was 1981 and Ben and I founded a band. That time called Big Dig and his bluesy twins. We played in 'brouwn' pubs . Guitar, a sigle snare drum, a bongo and one cymbal and Muddy Jack on washboard. We played in student cafe's in the university citys from Belgium., altough we were just past 17 !
During the following years our friendship grow. And the love for Dylan's music became stronger and stronger. As band we had our own evolution, but in 2006 we decided only to play Dylan music, with great succes !
Every song Mr. Dylan performans is always surprising. Highway 61 , Blind Willie all songs arre played in so many ways, and that's why he's one of the greatest performers for me. I saw Mr. Dylan 6 times in Belgium and Holland. You know there is an evolution in work and way of playing but it's always surprising and so professional. The choise of instruments is so basic: less is more ! That makes the music so warm , no song asks for difficult wonderboys on stage. Just good musicians, understanding what a song realy asks.
I'm glad the public is getting younger these days. Last concert at Vorest National in Belgium i noticed a lot of people between 18 and 25. That's a good sign ! Mr. Dylan is 'inn' !
This was my story.

this is great! it doesnt waffle or try to be hinterlecshual it lets us take a peek into the listeners own world - really thanks a lot

[Landys ghost]

So you now feel that I'm not a born again Christian? What's it to be, BAC or idol worshipper? Or do you want it both ways?

I may be a loon but I've learned some things through life, KB. I know that nothing is as it seems, that's for sure.

thats simple.... a born again loon KB? youve put him on a pedestal that has nothing to do with his work and says more about your twisted beliefs and very weird pseudo intellectualism...taoic zitgeist? ! what nonsense...in the words of Terry Jones "he's not [ ] he's a very naughty boy" why do people like you insist on putting him out there as something [a]he's not and [b] he doesnt want to be, he's shunned that stuff enough times, first and foremost he's a very gifted artist and musician,full stop.
"nothing is as it seems" sometimes people can look for nonsense that isnt there and come up with the most amazing rubbish...just like you

[Isis]

Mr Bob is a very strong man and very masculine. I like that.

[Sandrine]

Touching, reassuring I will say..

not Mr Muscle ..
Who want that today ?

[Isis]

I think he is pretty strong?

[Sandrine]

Like all men..

[thin man]

Like all men..


I think ..
you must elaborate your experience of the bold statement!

[Sandrine]

What experience ?

[thin man]

as I thought ... none

[Sandrine]

If you talk about experience with men, you are right..

[thin man]

If I talk about anything... I am right... :cheese: HAHAHAHA

[Sandrine]

If I talk about anything... I am right... :cheese: HAHAHAHA

http://www.franconaute.org/forum/images/smilies/divers/trone.gif..

[Isis]

If I talk about anything... I am right... :cheese: HAHAHAHA

Well I must say that sounds fishy to me. I think that's balloney right away? I'm the one that knows it all, so how could there be another one? IMPOSSIBLE I'd say?

[Landys ghost]

To state my position it really bugs me when people put unreasonable desires of their own on the mans shoulders. We had it in the 60's when people were saying he was this or that or the voice of a generation nonsense and it almost drove him mental, even Robertson asked him where he was taking music next, in the Horace Judson scene in Dont Look Back, he says "There are no messages" spitting the word message with distaste, Then we had Webberman with his concordances "proving " that Dylan was a revolutionary and heroin addict/or homosexual [ AJ kept moving the goal posts ], in the 8o's the Christian right hijacked him to promote their God Squad agenda and particular brand of hypocracy and some of Hal Lindseys crankiness, luckily he got out of that too, so please, by all means admire and appreciate the guys great body of work, but lets not deify him and make him out as some kind of, I dont know what.
Allard wrote a very good piece showing the possibility that Dylan had read some Roman literature what was good was that it was a potential insight into Dylans reading habits, the fact that he then pinched lines from the work proves nothing more other than he found the words useful, why jump to an assumption on the premis that that it fits your own world beliefs, now we have Dylan as some kind of mind influencing angel or soemthing equally daft, what he is is a genius composer and musician with a great knack of incorporating ideas from literature to write his own view and observations nothing more , nothing less, so lets lay off the idol worshiping, man with a message hypocracy please

[Isis]

well, if you feel you have to analyze Mr Bob and defy him and dissect him in order to have a relationship with him then I am pretty sure it's gonna be a disaster,........cuz I think the only way is to accept him the way he is upside down and that's it? He really is wired like any other guy I think and Sandrine and I know how they are...but we forgive them cuz we love them don't we Sandrine dearest?

Women don't come with instructions and men doesn't either...

[Sandrine]

Anyway, I think that Bob Dylan does the things, according to his envy.

He won't do something to please but because he wants to do that.

[Isis]

I think when he works he works but then after he has to relax and not be analyzed ALL the time? lol

[Sandrine]

Yes..He must like before, during...and doesn't care after

[thin man]

I believe it wrong to presume anything about him,and base your opinions you've worked out in you own head. it' s not possible to know the man, without actually knowing the man.. but maybe I'm being presumptuous

[Landys ghost]

I believe it wrong to presume anything about him,and base your opinions you've worked out in you own head. it' s not possible to know the man, without actually knowing the man.. but maybe I'm being presumptuous

I think your spot on Al, so is Isis and, in her own gallic way Sandrine,and it's what I mean by relationship with Bob, a song will effect each in his own way you react to it as you will,he creates and we perceive,but it's individual...whats annoying is reading thoughts based on agenda or ridiculous claims....ever wonder why he went C&W? I reckon it was to get away from all that pseudo babble,theres nothing wrong with making comparisons with other writers and poets,or even pointing out origins etc but to start making exgarrated claims, ah that just pisses me right off

[thin man]

There 'll always be the idiot winds..nothin' we can do about it

[Isis]

There 'll always be the idiot winds..nothin' we can do about it

I don't see any idiot wind up here? Is it one idiot wind or many?

[Sandrine]

An artist must give emotion. Bob Dylan gives emotion. Something enters in me when I am listening to him. Something I can't explain.

[Sandrine]

Voice : yes
Lyrics : yes
Melodies : yes
respect of public : yes

[Landys ghost]

There 'll always be the idiot winds..nothin' we can do about it

and the dust of rumour

[thin man]

you can't satisfy all the people all the time.. .. Robert Johnson said that

[Sandrine]

Bob Dylan satisfy me all the time....SZ say that

[Kent Allard]

first and foremost he's a very gifted artist and musician,full stop.


No, sorry. You can't really understand Dylan unless you have an extremely good grasp of both the Jewish and Christian Scrptures. Rogovoy's work shows just how important the role of Jewish scriptures are to him. But it goes far deeper than that. How well do you know the Bible? If you can't dust it off and get reading you'll always be at a disadvantage when it comes to talking Dylan.

[thin man]

I'll Let You Be In My Dreams, If I Can Be In Yours.


Abraham Lincoln said that

[Isis]

I'll Let You Be In My Dreams, If I Can Be In Yours.


Abraham Lincoln said that

noooooo I am getting really confused. Wasn't that Bob Dylan that siad that? I wish he didn't say that cuz he's always interrupting all my dreams?

[Kent Allard]

he's always interrupting all my dreams?

Explain please.

[thin man]

let me... it's a short tail

[Sandrine]

.

[Landys ghost]

No, sorry. You can't really understand Dylan unless you have an extremely good grasp of both the Jewish and Christian Scrptures. Rogovoy's work shows just how important the role of Jewish scriptures are to him. But it goes far deeper than that. How well do you know the Bible? If you can't dust it off and get reading you'll always be at a disadvantage when it comes to talking Dylan.

"You can't really understand Dylan unless you have an extremely good grasp of both the Jewish and Christian Scrptures" and you do I suppose?
ah the elitist "I know something you dont" arguement...yeah ok, I could equally say the same about Ricks...fucking wriggle and cop out it just proves my point, your wibblecentric, it serves no purpose in his work apart from supplying lyrics. So there you have it everyone, only Knut knows what Dylan is reallysinging about, if your not a Theologian you 'll never know the hidden message or appreciate Dylan like KnutEr...bit arrogant isnt it Knutty?

[triangular!]

Who's Knut? Is Knut a member of this board? I hope not, because he's one of my EX!

[Garilia]

No, sorry. You can't really understand Dylan unless you have an extremely good grasp of both the Jewish and Christian Scrptures. Rogovoy's work shows just how important the role of Jewish scriptures are to him. But it goes far deeper than that. How well do you know the Bible? If you can't dust it off and get reading you'll always be at a disadvantage when it comes to talking Dylan.
bullshit

[Landys ghost]

bullshit

Spot on! no one's doubting the importance of Biblical background, allusion , imagery or downright plagiarism in Dylans work,we disagree because I think it holds no more importance than helping his lyrical technique and KA thinks it's of some deep mystical meaning that, unless your into being a biblical expert you wont "get" but thats him just projecting his own bag imo, as you say Gar it's as much bullshit as any other self interested group thinking D writes for them and only they can see it...absolute nonsense imo

KA is fond of making quotes to suit so heres one, from the Docu "Getting to Dylan " in Sept 86

"People come onto me all the time like I'm their long lost brother or something....they seem to think we have something in common because I ve written a song that happens to they think appertain to something in their life" and later "would you ask Paul McCartney these questions" ...KA may be putting him on a pedestal that only he understands but D is humble enough to consider himself as just another song writer, why else would he apparently hide his messages in a coded form that only a few people can fathom?

[Kent Allard]

Of course I accept that others disagree with my point of view and perspective. It's part of the human condition, of course. But we have to begin and end in Eden. That's the master key.

[Kent Allard]

... why else would he apparently hide his messages in a coded form that only a few people can fathom?

Shot of Love liner notes

Album Info

***"I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hidden these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes." -- Matthew 11:25

[Landys ghost]

Shot of Love liner notes

Album Info

***"I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hidden these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes." -- Matthew 11:25

you reckon? Oh do fuck off...please...Gwlad 21.05 pm

[Landys ghost]

Of course I accept that others disagree with my point of view and perspective. It's part of the human condition, of course. But we have to begin and end in Eden. That's the master key.

"Wibble" a typically arrogant and smug posture of the" know better" types k/a BAC's...just keep out of my face pal

[Landys ghost]

[QUOTE=Kent Allard;3122]How well do you know the Bible? If you can't dust it off and get reading you'll always be at a disadvantage when it comes to talking Dylan.Unlike me of course I accept that others disagree with my point of view and perspective.But they are foolish and I have been given great insight"

there fixed it for ewe

[LazySlut]

No, sorry. You can't really understand Dylan unless you have an extremely good grasp of both the Jewish and Christian Scrptures. Rogovoy's work shows just how important the role of Jewish scriptures are to him. But it goes far deeper than that. How well do you know the Bible? If you can't dust it off and get reading you'll always be at a disadvantage when it comes to talking Dylan.

i gotta go with gar on this one. incredibly arrogant and ridiculous thing to say.

[thin man]

I have to believe he does it on purpose..:blink:

[Landys ghost]

I have to believe he does it on purpose..:blink:

I dont think so Al.He used to hang out on another site with an equally obnoxious nerd answering to the moniker, "Property of Jesus" and the one consistency with these people [ for all their supposed "Godliness" ] is their perceived supremacy and arrogance of always believing their right and , naturally, using stupid quotes to supposdly prove it.
It really is a smugness of the very worse kind, but their far too anal retentive to see it

[LazySlut]

look. i don't have hard feelings towards kent, i don't know him well enough to dislike him sincerely.

but please, can't you couch your opinions in just that language kent? so the bible and that sort of thing has brought you to what you believe is a deeper understanding of bob. if that's true for you then i'm happy for you, rock on. but don't presume to tell other adults what the absolute truth of anything is, we're all well old enough and educated enough to have formed our own opinions about bob and everything else. as a woman i relate to bob in a way you never will, and that gives me a perspective you can't and will never have. i'm not saying it's better than yours i'm saying it's different, and that's just one example of how your perspective doesn't and can't work for everyone else on planet earth. have some freaking humility, you just might not know all the secrets of the universe.

and using that kind of language in that way isn't about discussing the topic, it automatically creates enmity, and if you're going to do that just be an ass right off the bat and leave bob out of it. i hate arguing about bob, it's annoys the fuck out of me.

i'll argue about anything else though, trust me.

[Landys ghost]

look. i don't have hard feelings towards kent, i don't know him well enough to dislike him sincerely.

but please, can't you couch your opinions in just that language kent? so the bible and that sort of thing has brought you to what you believe is a deeper understanding of bob. if that's true for you then i'm happy for you, rock on. but don't presume to tell other adults what the absolute truth of anything is, we're all well old enough and educated enough to have formed our own opinions about bob and everything else. as a woman i relate to bob in a way you never will, and that gives me a perspective you can't and will never have. i'm not saying it's better than yours i'm saying it's different, and that's just one example of how your perspective doesn't and can't work for everyone else on planet earth. have some freaking humility, you just might not know all the secrets of the universe.

and using that kind of language in that way isn't about discussing the topic, it automatically creates enmity, and if you're going to do that just be an ass right off the bat and leave bob out of it. i hate arguing about bob, it's annoys the fuck out of me.

i'll argue about anything else though, trust me.

Common sense breaks out -- well done Slutty

[Sandrine]

The relations with Bob Dylan are logically different if we are a boy or a girl.

The age can play too.

And if we are foreigner, it's something else in more.

[triangular!]

Mr Allard suffers from hypoglycemia sometimes I just thought I drop that here. Diabetes and manic depression is a very dangerous combination when it comes to seeing things or believing in something that really doesn't exist.
What means that Mr. Allard will always relate quite differently to Bob Dylan than any other person. What I can't understand at the moment is the big outbreak what's it all about. Mr. Allards unusual views are nothin new to any member here and certainly not to me I'm his wife and nobody was offended so far... until now.

[Sandrine]

He knows that I like his poems..and I like what he is writing because he is referring often to books.
Sleeping Beauty, Ovide, Robert Burns...that's him.
I like.

That's him who made me discover "my love is like a red red rose"..nobody else

[Sandrine]

And it's true.. He is the only one here who speaks differently about Bob Dylan.
I have even believed that he is him..

[Isis]

Who is Bob? Bob Who?

[triangular!]

If he can manage to keep Bob Dylan & Jesus out of his mind, he's nice. Well spotted Sandrine and you're not even married to him.

[Sandrine]

Ohh..He knows I am joking.

[triangular!]

Joking or kokettieren?

[Sandrine]

joking

I have a husband..

[Isis]

That's the best way. It takes a long time for me to find one? Maybe I die before I find? I like to speak Frenglish..ha ha ha

[Sandrine]

That's the best way. It takes a long time for me to find one? Maybe I die before I find? I like to speak Frenglish..ha ha ha

I wish you it.

[Kent Allard]

Thanks to those who have been kind enough to defend me. But I also fully accept that Landy's forthright attack is valid. In fact, I'm surprised that such an attack was not made much longer ago on this board. I am a scholar...I was a very active research scientist for 22 years, and I published a lot. But I can see that a lot of what I'm posting is at best unclear and at worst completely cryptic. That's probably that's because my own views have been evolving over the past few years.

I am a Christian, and a Dylan fan. I've found that Dylan tends to move you into new areas of thought. In his radio programme he stated once that 'Armageddon began in 1930'. A remarkable thing to say, and I feel it could be a code, yes...but why say it all? I don't believe that comment was a throwaway.

I will avoid any religious stuff until I have been able to fully crystallize my thoughts in my own private writings. The main subjects being the idea of dualism in the bible, and a new view of the Book of Revelation. I have it all in my mind, just need to put pen to paper.

[Sandrine]

But I can see that a lot of what I'm posting is at best unclear and at worst completely cryptic. "

Bah me, I found your posts logical. Maybe because I had pleasure to find the answers of your questions.

[thin man]

haha definitely kokettieren

[Isis]

Are you teasing Sandrine by any chance thinny? Please do not forget She's my friend.

[Sandrine]

haha definitely kokettieren

hahahah

Pas du tout..

It's not because I like his poems, and how he spoked about the lyrics of Bob Dylan that I want to be his wife or I don't know whatelse.

It's completely ridiculous..


We know well that I won't do a big kiss on Garilia, that I won't stay 15 minutes in the toilets with E....

[Isis]

Who is E Sandrine?

[Landys ghost]

And it's true.. He is the only one here who speaks differently about Bob Dylan.
I have even believed that he is him..



poor deluded child

[Landys ghost]

Thanks to those who have been kind enough to defend me. But I also fully accept that Landy's forthright attack is valid. In fact, I'm surprised that such an attack was not made much longer ago on this board. I am a scholar...I was a very active research scientist for 22 years, and I published a lot. But I can see that a lot of what I'm posting is at best unclear and at worst completely cryptic. That's probably that's because my own views have been evolving over the past few years.

I am a Christian, and a Dylan fan. I've found that Dylan tends to move you into new areas of thought. In his radio programme he stated once that 'Armageddon began in 1930'. A remarkable thing to say, and I feel it could be a code, yes...but why say it all? I don't believe that comment was a throwaway.

I will avoid any religious stuff until I have been able to fully crystallize my thoughts in my own private writings. The main subjects being the idea of dualism in the bible, and a new view of the Book of Revelation. I have it all in my mind, just need to put pen to paper.

Fine - I dont think youll get much of an audience for your opinionated ramblings here though. The weakness of the arguement being
(a) Why choose the entertainment industry to deliver the "message"?An occupation so hit and miss in it's popularity that you could never be sure how wide an audience or of what concensus you would attract and actually reach
(b)Why cloak the message in such coded and ambiguous methods as to make whatever your trying to tell them virtually invisible to the majority of your listeners?.Not much point being a prophet if no one understands what your prophesying...or worse...believes it...unless one believes that one has been "chosen" to help spread the word

Ive read a review of "that book" and it doesnt change my position one iota.And that is,that the source of lyrical inspiration is not, by definition, necessarily an indication of someone pushing a particular prophetic philosophy.
I love Dylans work and his great insight into "the human condition" as Knut called it [sigh ] but it annoys the fuck out of me seeing people place expectations on the man that are probably totally incorrect and secondly which he's spent 40 odd years running away from and disavowing

[triangular!]

joking

I have a husband..

Give my regards to him.

[zimmy]

I am Bob's cousin.

[Garilia]

SZ say that

SZ? Sandrine's Zob?

[Garilia]

What means that Mr. Allard will always relate quite differently to Bob Dylan than any other person. What I

can't understand at the moment is the big outbreak what's it all about. Mr. Allards unusual views are nothin new to any member here and certainly not to me I'm his wife and nobody was offended so far... until now.
Hehe, I'm hypoglycemic and borderline diabetic. I guess it makes me crankier. His views are not new, but who says that people haven't been offended before? On the other hand, who says anyone's offended right now? We're just negotiating.

[Garilia]

Thanks to those who have been kind enough to defend me. But I also fully accept that Landy's forthright attack is valid. In fact, I'm surprised that such an attack was not made much longer ago on this board. I am a scholar...I was a very active research scientist for 22 years, and I published a lot. But I can see that a lot of what I'm posting is at best unclear and at worst completely cryptic. That's probably that's because my own views have been evolving over the past few years.

I am a Christian, and a Dylan fan. I've found that Dylan tends to move you into new areas of thought. In his radio programme he stated once that 'Armageddon began in 1930'. A remarkable thing to say, and I feel it could be a code, yes...but why say it all? I don't believe that comment was a throwaway.

I will avoid any religious stuff until I have been able to fully crystallize my thoughts in my own private writings. The main subjects being the idea of dualism in the bible, and a new view of the Book of Revelation. I have it all in my mind, just need to put pen to paper.

keep on keeping on.

And the rest of us reserve the right to praise, to ignore, to banter, to tangent, to say bullshit, or spot on.

Cheers

[Sandrine]

SZ? Sandrine's Zob?

Sandrine Zimmermann.

[Garilia]

Sandrine Zimmermann.

wait. you're married to him, and you don't know who he is on this board?

[Sandrine]

There is not one donkey who calls himself Martin on earth..

Why do you want to him be here ?

[Garilia]

Why do you want to him be here ?

I never said I did.

I'd probably tell him to fuck off, if I could even understand what he was writing.

[Sandrine]

The most important thing is how he wants us receive his songs.

[Isis]

I never said I did.

I'd probably tell him to fuck off, if I could even understand what he was writing.Then maybe you could blame it on your testosterone?

[Isis]

The most important thing is how he wants us receive his songs.

Yeah and how is that?

[Garilia]

Then maybe you could blame it on your testosterone?


Nah, I've heard Bob can be a real asshole to strangers. Although he was polite to my cousin when bumming a cigarette, then walked away.

[Isis]

He was very polite to me too when he bummed a cigarette from me....oh it was weigh back then.

[thin man]

I am Bob's cousin.

you sound more like his aunt Sally, but I know, you're not really his aunt

[Isis]

I am Bob's cousin.

That is pretty close connection there Zimmy? But how are we gonna believe that? I'm Jesus' second cousin ha ha ha ha

[Isis]

zimmy was here the other day to check on his cousin.

[Sandrine]

A normal relation

[Isis]

A normal relation

yes absolutely normal Sandrine :cheese:

[Sandrine]

Sometimes, you are strange.

[Isis]

.......